The Official UFC/Strikeforce/Boxing/MMA Thread

[Cowboy13012]

This is the official UFC/ PRIDE FC/ Boxing/ MMA Thread....

[ShadowBoxing89]

me, i watch boxing and Ufc also king of the cage and wrestling

[MidWest]

I watch on occasion missed the last pride watch the last ufc

[sugahill]

Fedor fuck up Mark Coleman again. That damn Russian is invincible in the ring

[WAKER]

I watch on occasion missed the last pride watch the last ufc

wat he said. last thing i saw was rich franklin get knocked out. crazy shiiiit.

[Flexamill]

franklin needed facial reconstruction



i think fedor can be beaen its just the heavyweight division is weak in comparison to light heavyweight. fedor is really the only true all round fighter in that division. 5 yrs+ from now well see more all round fighter that are perhaps stronger than fedor hes only 6 foot too

[MidWest]

LAMBO! so you think he will be undefeated for 5 years. I am sure he will get caught with one one thing about fighting anything can happen

[MidWest]

Rampage is a badass but silva pund for pound the best cro cop beat his ass last time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCOGq...elated&search=

[Flexamill]

Westy i think the only ppl that can test fedor is maybe josh barnett or cro cop i dont think either of them or good enough cro cop stands the best chance and the ufc heavyweights are a disgrace. I dont think theres enough money in it to attract a larger variety of fighters right now, even the pay per views numbers are good most the fighters get raped financially. franklin got 20 - 30 gs for that fight where he got his face busted up (n he was champion) whereas guys like tito get 200 gs for a fight.

[spliffstar]

im more into k1 ..ufc kinda gay with all this laying on the ground lookin like 2 gorillas havin sex

[MidWest]

tito really gets 200g

ufc heavyweights are terrible anderso silva looked good hes gonig to be a force the west of what is that super middle weight too many classes but franklin was teh only good one in it.

cro cop is really good I owuld liek to see him fight fedor. those kicks are deadly

[MidWest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=...&v=vQOGIFFs85E

liddell is scared of silva the pride is so much better

[MidWest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4XHGjbxvqc

this was a beating

[Flexamill]

k1 got an open weight class tho right? i dont like that just means the giant freaks run the shit but the fighting is crazy. i like pride/ufc cos its more realistic to real street fights you can do anything basically i didnt like all that lying on top of each other shit myself at first but its actually quite technical, they not just lying there they are trying to get into position to break there arms or make them tap out. a k1 fighter wouldnt stand much of a chance against an mma fighter unless they learnt the ground game also.

[MidWest]

k1 got an open weight class tho right? i dont like that just means the giant freaks run the shit but the fighting is crazy. i like pride/ufc cos its more realistic to real street fights you can do anything basically i didnt like all that lying on top of each other shit myself at first but its actually quite technical, they not just lying there they are trying to get into position to break there arms or make them tap out. a k1 fighter wouldnt stand much of a chance against an mma fighter unless they learnt the ground game also.

Mixed martial arts thats why K1 fighters, boxers, wrestlers ,mu tai orwhatever woudlnt stand a chance. you think lidell will fight silva?

[spliffstar]

k1 got an open weight class tho right? i dont like that just means the giant freaks run the shit but the fighting is crazy. i like pride/ufc cos its more realistic to real street fights you can do anything basically i didnt like all that lying on top of each other shit myself at first but its actually quite technical, they not just lying there they are trying to get into position to break there arms or make them tap out. a k1 fighter wouldnt stand much of a chance against an mma fighter unless they learnt the ground game also.

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there is k1 max with a limit of i think 70 kg or something and the rest is simply k1 with a open weight class..u see the k1 fighters are like the fighter elite cuz u gotta be a champion to participate in there , all those mma ufc events are full of dudes who just fight dirty and have no respect for fighting sport in general they just try 2 hurt their opponents..thats a lil 2 poor 4 me 2 watch i prefer real sport like u see it in k1 ..and by the way a lot of k1 fighters were doin ufc , mma fights before they were allowed to fight in k1 ..thats were the big money is so u gotta bring quality 2 the table and not just brutality..u see ufc fight became popular not cuz of certain wrestling techniques or whatever, its cuz of the raw violence and the blood u see ..this is what makes the mob happy

[sugahill]

cro cop is really good I owuld liek to see him fight fedor. those kicks are deadly

Fedor already beat Cro Cop. Fedor checks every low kick fighters send at him and he won't give Cro Cop a chance to load up on the back leg to send a high kick. I'm suprised Barnet stood a change against Rodrigo Nogiera, I think it was lack of conditioning. Did you see the way Cro Cop made Barnet cry "Oh Shit, Stop!". Cro Cop beat Barnets ass 3 times in a row. I can't wait to see a Barnet/Rodrigo Nogeira rematch, Cro Cop/Shogun Rua match, and Fedor beat the shit out of Barnet.

[sugahill]

If you want to die laughing then smoke a blunt, watch a Pride FC tournament then immediately turn to MTV's Final Fu'ool.

[sugahill]

bump......................

[JustinCredible1]

November 06, 2006

OSCAR DE LA HOYA: MAYWEATHER FIGHT ISN'T HAPPENING!
By G. Leon

Golden Boy still not giving up on Trinidad rematch!

GL: Did you get to watch the Mayweather-Baldomir fight?

ODLH: "I caught a glimpse of the HBO result on Boxingtalk, but I didn't see the fight."

GL: Did you not watch the fight because your cable guys didn't get your service installed on time, or did you not watch on purpose?

ODLH: "I was just not going to pay for the fight. I just didn't feel the full card was worth whatever they were charging."

GL: Since you didn't see the fight allow me to fill you in, Mayweather won every round. I don't know if you watch Star Wars but it looked like Master Yoda fighting a Storm trooper.

ODLH: "That's the way I called it, Mayweather was going to blow him out of the water. Mayweather wasn't going to knock him out because he can't hurt him and Baldomir wasn't going to hit him because he's too fast. What I was shocked about was Shannon Briggs knocking out Liakhovich. That I did see and that was pretty cool."

GL: Let me find out Oscar De La Hoya is watching Showtime.

ODLH: (laughs) "Well, the reason I was watching that is because Sultan Ibragimov is now the mandatory to Shannon Briggs and that's big news for us. Obviously we have to do that fight and start negotiating with Don King so that's going to be interesting. I think we can do a big fight there and work together on the heavyweight division, King and I, so it'll be fun."

GL: What do you think about Mayweather saying one more fight and he's retiring?

ODLH: "You know I was reading that and I thought it was just emotion."

GL: Are you saying that from experience?

ODLH: "Yeah, most likely. I thought I was going to retire a long time ago, right after the Trinidad fight, but those were just emotions running through me, so I wouldn't pay too close attention to that. After a fight like that there's usually high emotions."

GL: My phone still hasn't stopped ringing since our last interview. Have either Bob Arum or Gary Shaw presented you with a copy of their contracts with Manny Pacquiao and Diego Corrales?

ODLH: "I haven't seen no contract yet."

GL: Richard (Schaefer) was at the Mayweather fight, why was he out there?

ODLH: "To pay close attention to the whole situation. I wanted him to see with his own eyes how many people were in the arena, what the atmosphere was like. Is this kid generating any enthusiasm or is he generating any more excitement? The first thing Richard told me was that it doesn't even come close to when Mosley fights or when Barrera fights or when Hopkins fights. There's no energy whatsoever so I assumed that the arena wasn't closed to selling out, because when an arena is sold out there's some real excitement."

GL: The arena looked pretty full to me. I'm not sure it was a paid sell out, but I know that by the time Mayweather and Baldomir got into the ring there didn't seem to be too many empty seats."

ODLH: You'd be very surprised Greg, how you can fill an arena in ten seconds without selling tickets."

GL: Really? Are you saying that from experience also? (laughs)

ODLH: "Obviously we know that Mayweather cannot fill an arena up. We all know that it's no secret. Pay-per-view's, I'm waiting very patiently to see what the numbers are going to be but the indication is somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000-350,000. Then we'll take it from there. To really tell you the truth I was really turned off with what Richard explained to me, turned off with some quotes that I read from him talking to Larry Merchant, but we'll see."

GL: What did Richard explain to you that turned you off? How badly did it turn you off? Badly enough that you don't want to fight Mayweather anymore?

ODLH: "The whole situation, here I am offering tons of money to him and if he's not going to accept it, it's not going to get done, it's simple as that."

GL: I don't think anybody other than those involved would know the specifics of any offers that you've made to Floyd. Can you fill us in any?

ODLH: "Obviously I'm not going to negoiate with him over Boxingtalk. Let me tell you though, he'll be making a lot of money, I just feel it's just not worth it."

GL: What's not worth it? Getting into a negotiation over money when you feel you're giving him the opportunity to take himself to another stratosphere.

ODLH: "Let's put it this way, if I was offering him $1, that $1 is off the table and now he's being offered 50 cents. If he's not going to take it, he's not going to take it we're just going to move on."

GL: If he's unwilling to take your offer which has been cut in half...

ODLH (cutting in) "And it's still a lot of money."

GL: (continuing my question) Would you still want to make Mayweather-Mosley?

ODLH: "Whatever my partner wants to do, if he wants to fight Mayweather so be it. Obviously those negotiations, we're going to look out for Mosley and get him the best deal possible. If he wants to fight Mosley and have his last fight with Mosley, that's fine. I have no problem with it whatsoever."

GL: It sounds like your day to day with your boxing decisions. It doesn't sound like you have a firm foundation on what you're going to do next. Will you be fighting in May? Will you be fighting again period?

ODLH: "I'll be fighting believe me."

GL: I recall you saying if it wasn't Mayweather, or Mayweather and Trinidad you weren't going to fight again. Are you saying we're getting one more fight regardless of who it is?

ODLH: "I will be fighting, there's no retiring for me yet. I don't know, for some reason how Richard was explaining the sitaution to me, it's like this guy doesn't deserve the chance. Eric Gomez, our matchmaker also told us how arrogant he was with Larry Merchant. I have to see the fight myself. But when I was talking with Eric, I said to myself, why am I going to fight this guy? What has he done to deserve to fight me for all this money? What has he done?

GL: He's established as the best pound for pound fighter Oscar.

ODLH: "Well yeah, but beating who."

GL: He never beat anyone in particular for that title, he was elevated to that position after Hopkins lost to Taylor because of his resume and longevity. Kind of like how Hopkins received the position after Roy Jones Jr lost.

ODLH: "Let him do his thing and fight Margarito now, I have no problem with that, or let him fight Mosley. Let him fight these guys."

GL: So you're not really feeling the Mayweather fight?

ODLH: "I was really turned off by it and I don't feel it. Like I told you, am I willing to walk away from it? Can I walk away from it? Yes I can. I have to feel it in order to make the fight happen and I don't feel it."

GL: Do you think boxing fans would be disappointed if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen when it's the biggest payday and biggest fight that could be made in all of boxing?

ODLH: "I'll tell you one thing, I think if Mayweather fought Margarito they wouldn't be disappointed. I think if we made a Mayweather-Mosley fight they wouldn't be disappointed so it would be okay."

GL: But as it relates to Mosley and Mayweather you believe it has to be a 50-50 split and you're not sure there's enough money to make it happen, correct?

ODLH: "Absolutely. Mosley being involved in big PPV fights, what he did with Vargas, what he did with me, Mosley is a bigger attraction that Mayweather and he can fill more seats than Mayweather can and he can sell more PPV's than Mayweather could ever sell. If Mayweather thinks he's going to get more than a 50-50 split he's crazy. It's what's called market value. That's exactly the way I was negotiating with my partners Hopkins and Mosley. You take market value, obviously Hopkins and Mosley each made a lot of money but it wasn't a 50-50 split. Now with Mosley being the bigger attraction than Mayweather, I'm not saying it can't be a 50-50 split, it can be. I think both fighters are on the top of their game right now. All I'm saying is that Mosley is a bigger attraction than he is."

GL: Do you think Mosley beats Mayweather?

ODLH: "I'll tell you one thing I think he has a real good shot at it, absolutely."

GL: Good enough that you might advise him to take less than parity for the opportunity to once again become the pound for pound fighter again?

ODLH: "Obviously he has a solid team and people who are very capable of making that decision on their own. With Mosley and Jin they're going to make a wise decision, all Richard and I do is explain to them how we feel. I think after this fight, and that's the reason I wanted to wait until after this fight with Baldomir, everything is back to the negotiating table with everyone. Because with me and Mayweather, it's not going to happen. I'm not going to go into a fight if I don't feel it. At this point in my career I'm not going to fight somebody if I'm not motivated."

GL: As much as you're not feeling the fight right now, would you fight Mayweather if he accepts your current offer for less money?

ODLH: "If he accepts the offer than obviously it becomes something to think about, absolutely. Ultimately, I have to feel it, I have to feel the fight and I don't feel that Mayweather deserves to be in the ring with me and make all that money and elevate his status to another level. Because that's what happens Greg. You know what happens, when everyone fights me, they get a lot of exposure and imagine if they beat me, they go to another level. Hopkins understood that, Mosley understood that, they're smart people. But for some reason I don't think Mayweather understands that."

GL: I think it's because he's making more money than those guys were at that point.

OLDH: "Well, yeah, at that point, probably. But believe me if he fights me he's definitely going to making a lot more than he does now."